- David Axelrod interviewed Tim Phillips, leader of the Koch brothers' political organization, for his podcast
- Phillips talked about a wide range of issues, including the 2016 election
Editor's Note: The Axe Files, featuring David Axelrod, is a podcast distributed by CNN and produced at the University of Chicago Institute of Politics. The author works at the institute.
Chicago (CNN)The leader of the Koch Brothers' powerful political arm says it would require dramatic changes in Donald Trump's approach to get the organization off the sidelines of the presidential race.